>> it's a very big risk, anderson. there's two different events here and it's hard to keep them separated from each other. the first is getting the debt sealing lifted. that's the critical negotiation under way now. even if we get it lifted, eric's right. standard & poor's is saying even if you get it lifted it's how much you're willing to cut the deficits that they will really judge the triple-a rating of the united states on and if it's something less than $3 to $4 trillion in real cuts they're going to lower the credit rating of the united states for the first time in our history. we've had it since 1917 we've been triple-a. there's a growing sense at top levels here in washington that the chances of a credit rating downgrade is becoming more than just a possibility but moving towards a probability. >> april, for those who haven't been following this as closely as everybody in washington and a lot of other folks have been following it, where do the -- do both plans stand right now? you have harry reids and john boeh